February 5, 2009

  • Logion 13 and Mark 8:27-33

    The following is again based on Stevan Davies’ discussion of Mark’s use of the Gospel of Thomas, Part I, and part of my ongoing exploration on how the nature of Jesus’s teachings was altered in the transition from the simple sayings of Thomas to the narrative gospels which began to appear on the scene 10, 15 and 20 years later.

    Logion 13 is fascinating, even without the additions Pursah offers to it in The Disappearance of the Universe, in which she proposes what the three things were – which of course the whole world has been guessing at ever since the text was discovered. Here is the text in the Pursah rendering from Your Immortal Reality:

    J said to the disciples, “Compare me to something and tell me what I’m like.”
    Simon Peter said to him, “You are just like an angel.”
    Matthew said to him, “You are like a wisdom teacher.”
    Thomas said to him, “Master, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like.”
    And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends, they asked him, “What did J say to you?” Thomas said to them, “If I tell you one fo the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and consume you.”


    Mark, 8:27-33 (NIV):

    Peter’s Confession of Christ
    27 Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, “Who do people say I am?”
    28 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.”
    29 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Peter answered, “You are the Christ.[a]
    30 Jesus warned them not to tell anyone about him.

    Jesus Predicts His Death
    31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again.
    32
    He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.
    33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

    Again, we can only be amazed at the difference, as Jesus becomes domesticated through the subsequent editing of the tradition about him (instead of: of him). For one thing, of course in the context of the emerging orthodoxy, it is Peter who gives the winning answer, though up to that point the gist of the story might be somewhat comparable with the Thomas version, namely that the world is not ready (by definition) to hear Jesus’s teachings of a Kingdom not of this world. However the further framing of the story in the Markan context again hijacks the pure teaching, and frames it now in the Christian mold where the upcoming death of Jesus is of the essence, and his presumed suffering beginning to be construed as an important sacrifice ordained by God, which is very, very different from the simple image which is evoked by the notion of simply saying that the world is not ready to hear this message. Peter’s recognition of Jesus as “the Christ,” likewise serves the Christian purpose of validating Jesus as special, and a “savior,” when the point of his teaching was exactly the other way around. The section headings of the NIV reinforce this Christian theological slant even more.

    With the availability of the Course and the deeper psychological understanding which it fosters, we can now also increasingly understand why it is that we do resist the message so much, namely because our ego has us convinced that accepting the atonement will be the end of us, when the truth is that it would be the end of the ego, not of us as who we are in truth — namely spirit. In other words the risk is that we would be happy, instead of miserably hanging on to the ego.

    The original teaching of Logion 13 makes that simple point, which in the story Thomas is apparently beginning to appreciate, namely that the world really is not ready to hear Jesus’s message, nor will it ever be, by definition, based on the understanding that the world was made as an attack on God, being the embodiment of the ego-thought of separation from God. Jesus’s message, or the atonement, after all is the message that the separation did not happen, so neither the ego, nor the world it projects are real. The only thing that is real and eternal is the love of God, and what keeps it out of awareness is our identification with the ego-self, the false self, the persona, and that is how our ego keeps us wrapped around the axle, fearing we will perish when we accept the atonement for ourselves, when instead it is the ego which will perish, and which we are NOT, in spite of its best efforts to convince us otherwise.

    Thus the real issue is not that the scribes and Pharizees, or whoever, out in the world, is not accepting “Jesus,” but rather the other way around, that we don’t take responsibility for the fact that we don’t accept him, while the Course is really showing us the mechanisms why we don’t and helps us to remove the cloaking of the ego, and learn to look at its seething snake pit of hatred with the love of Jesus beside us, so that ultimately we should be able to forgive ourselves for what the Course calls the “tiny, mad, idea” of the separation, and laugh it all away with Jesus, as he also suggests in the Course. The critical passage is:

    Let us return the dream he gave away unto the dreamer, who perceives the dream as separate from himself and done to him. Into eternity, where all is one, there crept a tiny, mad idea, at which the Son of God remembered not to laugh. In his forgetting did the thought become a serious idea, and possible of both accomplishment and real effects. Together, we can laugh them both away, and understand that time cannot intrude upon eternity. It is a joke to think that time can come to circumvent eternity, which means there is no time. (ACIM:T-27.VIII.6)

Comments (9)

  • Thank you, very soothing…

  • Dude I gotta say at first glance this does look pretty christian-y. You have to read a while before you realize its not. The average xangan will not get that far. Unfortunately attention spans are not that great around here.

  • @vanedave - And that’s fine you know. The Inner-Xangan popularity contest is not really my game. The blog is an expansion of my book. I stick to my topic. I’m like a little boy throwing pebbles in the lake, and watching the expanding circles. To show you how different it is, I’m getting visitors reading 20-30 old posts in a session, or using tags and obviously doing research. So it’s sort of a different game from the Xangan popularity culture, but then I play around with comments, and pulses and the like. I consider my main market to be the world, not Xanga. But it’s fun.

  • Hey Rogier,

    If we take saying 108 of the GOSPEL of THOMAS apart we could get an idea of the three missing sayings of logion 13 :

    (1) “He who will drink from my mouth will become like me”; YOU ARE ME
    (2) “I myself shall become he”; I AM YOU
    (3) “and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him”: ALL IS REVEALED TO YOU

    Any of these three sayings would be enough to enrage the other apostles for they would feel excluded. And if they deified Jesus they would accuse THOMAS of BLASPHEMY. It also challenges THOMAS to let go of the idea ‘teacher’ and to identify as the SOURCE only.

    This message can still be found today. For instance http://urbangurucafe.com/ or http://www.thenaturalstate.org/

    Best regards,

    tom

  • @tomvds - This is a fascinating thought. You might not have been aware that in Gary Renard’s book The Disappearance of the Universe, Pursah actually tells Gary (us) what those three items were, from her recollection from a lifetime as the apostle Thomas, and they are a bit different than what you suggest. But I find your thought process fascinating – pretty good actually for someone NOT having past life memories of BEING Thomas.

  • Hey Rogier,

    I am glad you liked it It’s just a guess though since I indeed have no past life memories of Being Thomas that I’m aware of. 

    I did some internet searching on Gary Renard and the book ”The Disappearance of the Universe” on Amazon and found the missing logia according to Pursah. Interesting indeed ! He says:

    1) You dream of a desert, where mirages are your rulers and tormentors, yet these images come from you.
    2) Father did not make the desert and your home is still with Him.
    3) To return, forgive your brother, for only then do you forgive yourself.

    I find the 3 sayings somewhat out of sink with logion 13 though. (Just my personal opinion.) Thomas is treated as a novice and ‘the Father’ (Awareness) is made separate from his existence.Whereas J. surely would’ve emphasized the non-dual nature of “The Father and I are One”. He (Thomas ) need not return, he already is Wholeness. I imagine J. will say so emphatically, thereby rejecting the self-demotion Thomas introduced by saying ‘MASTER’. Also I do not find these logia adress the question of identity wich is the theme of logion 13. Again, sayings along the line of logion 108 would be my ‘educated’ guess. But “WO AM I”

    Thomas warns ”If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and consume you.” which could be interpreted as “He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.” and could reflect his insight in the non-dual nature of reality where whatever one does unto ‘others’ is done unto ME aka ‘the All’

    But enough ramblings, ”You have omitted the one living in your presence and have spoken (only) of the dead.” It’s enough that we know ourself then we will understand that we are the children of the living Father as Thomas knew. Or as is said in Logion 59 “Look at the living one (‘your’ Aliveness) as long as you live, or you might die and then try to see the living one, and you will be unable to see”

    Anyway, Kind regards,

    tom

  • @tomvds - Be that as it may, we all get there a different way, and it matters not. Having said that, you may find Disappearance worth a read. And as you’ll see here, my book is based on Gary’s work.

  • Hey Rogier,

    I didn’t know you wrote a book based on Gary’s work, I will check it out including ‘Disappearance’.

    I hope I’m not like that builder  of whom J. says:”Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone.”

    I’ll enjoy your site for some time to come , It’s very rich and I like It !

    Kind regards,

    tom

  • @tomvds - I think what Jesus said was not a judgment about someone or something, but about judgment. So give him everything the world rejects, that is the BEST place to begin. Conversely, as long as we think the world is working for us, we’re not very available to listen to a teacher, who says not to bother with the world, but to follow him to a Kingdom not of this world. As to the blog… look at the title of it, that should be a clue…

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